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Posted: 20 October 2009 04:35 PM   [ Ignore ]
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The Tiwanaku Akapana pyramid has been (badly) renovated and “repaired” by a Bolivian governmental agency, causing possible collapse of the structure as well as loss of its designation as a U.N. World Heritage Site.
 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20091019/sc_nm/us_bolivia_archaeology


So several questions come to mind that aren’t really covered (on a preliminary search) on the GHF website.  First, if they are a WHS (World Heritage Site), then how did this shoddy reconstruction job get done in the first place?  Wouldn’t they have to get approval from the GHF to do this kind of work?
 
Second and third, what has to happen for a site to lose its designation as a WHS, and in a case like this, isn’t this exactly why the organization exists, to repair or prevent this kind of damage?  How do they get help from GHF, and get their status returned, if they lose it?

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Posted: 21 October 2009 09:02 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Hi, Xtina. I believe you’re confusing designations and organizations. “World Heritage Site” is a designation given by UNESCO, the United Nations Educations, Scientific and Cultural Organization to 890 properties around the world. It is NOT a Global Heritage Siteor a site managed by GHF, the Global Heritage Fund. So to answer your questions, you should really direct them to UNESCO, not me or GHF.

Having been to Tiwanaku, however, I will say that this is a sad development and I have some sense of how it could have happened. Bolivia’s archaeological sites do not get the support that Peru’s do from its government. Tiwanaku is an important Andean archaeological site, yet it is vastly ignored compared with, say, Machu Picchu. When I was there, I was shocked at how little they offered to support tourism. Someone, obviously, was responding to that by trying to create an attraction. Unfortunately, they didn’t consult experts with longer visions for sustainability and authenticity and, therefore, didn’t do it the right way. This isn’t the first time this has happened at archaeological sites, but it’s sad that it has happened to a site that had/has so much potential. We’ll see how it resolves in the years ahead. JB

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Posted: 21 October 2009 11:30 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Has there been archeological excavations there, I have never heard of it before unless it was on a DFT episode that i miised.

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Posted: 22 October 2009 08:54 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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ExplorerJosh - 21 October 2009 09:02 PM

Hi, Xtina. I believe you’re confusing designations and organizations.

D’oh!!  (smacks head)  red face  Yes, I wouldn’t be surprised if I did;  those two organizations that “certify” and protect historic and archaeological sites are similar enough to me to get them mixed up.  Sorry!

But thank you for the response and your thoughts.  Yes, I can certainly understand how a desperate scramble to pump money into a site that needed help could result in something like this.  I guess they didn’t think the mixing of adobe and stone would make that much of a difference—perhaps the project was already underway before they realized they’d screwed it up, or maybe the lure of tourist dollars was just too much to resist!  Hopefully they will get it fixed before it’s lost.

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Posted: 22 October 2009 09:16 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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Seren—

Josh did an episode on season 3 of DFT about Tiwanaku entitled “Stonehenge of the Americas”:  http://www.joshbernstein.com/site.php?/exploration/facts/stonehenge_of_the_americas/ 

There has been archaeological work done at Tiwanaku as well—here is a site about some of the work done by several American universities in conjunction with Bolivian entities:  http://www.archaeology.org/interactive/tiwanaku/index.html

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Posted: 22 October 2009 12:02 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Thanks Xtima, i forgot about that one, i don’t have season three yet.

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Posted: 02 February 2010 03:49 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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Wow! Enjoy it! Does it bring great memories back to some?


Five Photos: Machu Picchu, Peru
World Hum - February 2, 2010

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Posted: 02 February 2010 05:33 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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The photos are great Doris. Yes, I have a lot of memories….recent ones, since I was lucky enough to be able to visit the citadel. Fortunately, the recent heavy rain of last week hasn’t damaged it, but no one will be able to go there until probably march.

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Aconcagua, thank you!

You also have great pictures of the region, don´t you? My father lived 2 years in Peru, and as a pilot he flew all over the place. I´ve grown up hearing of Machu Picchu, Titicaca lake, Iquitos and other fascinating places. And the Andes.

Luckily the archaeological sites have not suffer any harm, but I do feel very sorry for the local communities. The Indios and their ancient culture.

How long did you stay in Peru? Did you visit other regions?

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Posted: 06 February 2010 08:51 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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Doris - 03 February 2010 09:43 AM

Aconcagua, thank you!

You also have great pictures of the region, don´t you? My father lived 2 years in Peru, and as a pilot he flew all over the place. I´ve grown up hearing of Machu Picchu, Titicaca lake, Iquitos and other fascinating places. And the Andes.

Luckily the archaeological sites have not suffer any harm, but I do feel very sorry for the local communities. The Indios and their ancient culture.

How long did you stay in Peru? Did you visit other regions?

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Hello Doris! Yes, I have some nice photos, although the ones taken by professionals with better cameras are much more wonderful than mine, jejeje.
I cannot imagine how interesting it would be being able to fly over the entire region and the beauties that can be seen…
I only stayed for a fortnight, so I visited as much as I could during that time. I went to Lima, Trujillo (in the north) and a couple of nearby ruins, Nazca (in the south), Cuzco and the nearest ancient ruins, Sacred Valley and Machu Picchu.
Summer for them in the mountains means rain, heavy rain for a couple of hours, then stop, then rain again or not, and rain at night. The problem the had there was that it rained heavily for 4 or 5 days without stop.
I wasn’t there myself at that moment (luckily for me, I visited the area some days before that heavy rain); but I know people who was, so I know for sure peruvians said that rain was completely unusual. So serious was the problem that they made a special procession with a Christ known as “the black Christ”, that they only take out of the Cathedral when they are having serious earthquakes. Believe it or not, not only stops earthquakes…. the heavy rain stopped and the sun came out during the procession.
The most important impact the people there will suffer is that the live mostly of what they get (directly or indirectly) through tourism. And what most people is interested in… is in Machu Picchu.
Many tourists have only heard of the Incas, but there are also so many interesting archeological sites/remains of previous important cultures such as Wari, Moche, Chimu, Nazca, Lima, Lambayeque, etc., to see. And many of those didn’t built with stones, but with “adobe” (a mixture of mud, straw, etc.).
I visited some of those too (such as “Pachacamac” (near Lima), parts of “Chan Chan” (Trujillo; it was a huge place), “El Brujo” (near Trujillo, where they found the remains of a woman who became governor or something equivalent, known now as the “Lady of Cao”, and whose remains can be seen in a museum that opened last year). and “El Muro” (Nazca).
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